There’s been quite a bit of discussion on the Deconstructing Geula post, which I put together to try to explore what happens practically, the day after Moshiach actually shows up, and how different the experience is obviously going to be, depending on where we actually live at that point in time, and how much emuna we really do have.

I thought it would be useful to bring the discussion I’ve been having with Devorah, one of the commentators, here, as its own post. I’m working on a post which will look at the halachic basis for staying out of Israel, in the time before Moshiach comes – because there is one, as set out by the late Satmar Rebbe, R’ Yoel Teitelbaum – but this is a useful subset of the discussion:

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Devorah says

March 14, 2019 at 15:30

Rivka, Rambam represents just one opinion. There are different opinions. There’s another opinion that says that the Divine revelation at the time of geula will be like har Sinai, the yetzer hara, sicknesses, and death will disappear, the miracles will be bigger than in the Exodus, all forms of negativity will disappear.

Rivka Levy says

March 17, 2019 at 13:18

Thanks for the comment, Devorah.

By the time the Israelites got to Har Sinai, they’d already lost 4/5 in the plague of darkness, had to leave their homes in Egypt, and experienced 10 plagues and enormous fear and upheaval. So, it seems to me that what you’re describing is what comes AFTER what I’m describing precedes it. We need to have emuna to get to geula, and there are no short-cuts to acquiring it.

Devorah says

March 18, 2019 at 04:56

I know Rivka but not in the final Geulah.

“Unlike the Egyptian Exodus, when many Jews did not merit to leave Egypt, with regards to the future redemption we are assured that no Jew will be left behind—including the Ten Lost Tribes.” Source: https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1122197/jewish/The-Future-Apportionment-of-Israel.htm

Also, the Jewish people will not have to leave galut in haste because unlike in the Geulah from Egypt when the Jews still had some measure of evil in them, in the final Geulah the evil inclination in them will already been annulled. This is the kabbalistic explanation I remember from the book of Tanya and from the moshiach and Geulah online forum that still existed a few years ago. If you’re still scared, you can change ur emotions and invoke miracles in your life by practicing gratefulness. Kol tuv

Rivka Levy says

March 18, 2019 at 12:23

Devorah, do you live in Israel, or in Chul?

Rivka Levy says

March 18, 2019 at 12:54

Thanks for the link – I had a look, and I can see that what you quoted is the opinion of the author, Rav Silberberg, but he didn’t include any sources or references for that opinion. Can you point me in the direction of any sources?

At the same time, I found this on the Chabad website talking about the time immediately before Moshiach comes, here: https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/100900/jewish/The-Time-Before-Mashiach.htm

Which has copious sources from the Gemara, and explains that the situation will be very scary before the Messianic Era actually kicks off (see below).

Which brings us back to the original point of whether we can get to the Messianic Era without the ‘birthpangs’ and suffering that is so amply described, in so many of our sources, as being part and parcel of the run up to the Messianic Era.

Again, if you have a Torah source you can reference to support your point of view, I’d be very interested in seeing it.
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III. Ikvot Meshicha: The Time Immediately Before Mashiach

The time appointed by G‑d for the Messianic redemption is a closely guarded secret.1 Nonetheless, we are offered many hints to recognize its proximity: when certain conditions come about, await the imminent coming of Mashiach.

Most of these conditions are quite disturbing, clearly displaying a situation of the very “bottom of the pit.”2 One major source describes the world-condition in those days as follows: increase in insolence and impudence; oppressing inflation; unbridled irresponsibility on the part of authorities; centers of learning will turn into bawdy houses; wars; many destitutes begging, with none to pity them; wisdom shall be putrid; the pious shall be despised; truth will be abandoned; the young will insult the old; family-breakup with mutual recriminations; impudent leadership.3

Other sources add: lack of scholars; succession of troubles and evil decrees; famines; mutual denunciations; epidemics of terrible diseases; poverty and scarcity; cursing and blaspheming; international confrontations nations provoking and fighting each other.4 In short, it will be a time of suffering that will make it look as if G‑d were asleep. These are the birthpangs of Mashiach, bearable only in anticipation of the bliss that follows them.

“When you see a generation ever dwindling, hope for him… when you see a generation overwhelmed by many troubles as by a river, await him.”5 “When you see nations fighting each other, look toward the feet of Mashiach.”6

Little wonder that some sages expressed apprehensions about those days in terms of, “Let [Mashiach] come, but let me not see him.”7

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I guess those scared Sages should also go and work on their gratitude….

Rachel in NY says

March 18, 2019 at 19:05

We are THERE, Rivka. We have already experienced everything you listed in your above comment. No reason to assume it has to get worse!

Rivka Levy says

March 19, 2019 at 09:42

It’s definitely tough now, you’re right.

But I’d like to see a Torah source for this part of Devorah’s comment:

“Also, the Jewish people will not have to leave galut in haste because unlike in the Geulah from Egypt when the Jews still had some measure of evil in them, in the final Geulah the evil inclination in them will already been annuled.”

I still have an evil inclination, and so do a whole bunch of the people who are living in Galut, and also here in Israel. What needs to happen, before that evil inclination gets ‘annulled’? I’d like to see a Torah source for that, because in my experience, evil inclinations get ‘annulled’ through suffering. That’s the catalyst for real teshuva. But I’m very happy to see a Torah source that provides some other route.

Devorah says

April 2, 2019 at 14:52

Rivka the Torah source of ” not leave in haste” is in the book Tanya and see also point 2 here: http://ruchoshelmashiach.blogspot.com/2012/07/i-will-redeem-you-in-end-like-beginning.html?m=1

I think it’s based on yeshayahu 52:12
https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15983#showrashi=true

I am sorry to tell you though that I also read somewhere in the meantime ( sorry I lost the link) that it all depends on us. If I remember well. You can Google these things. I may find more when I will have more time to look. Sorry, I am not a rabbi ..

Re the evil inclination annulled. how? : I think thru the birthpangs of Jewish history, and of mashiach. Could also in the end happen suddenly like at har Sinai. It says it will be like that. Hashem will reveal himself to the whole world with greater revelation than at har Sinai and suddenly the evil inclination will be annulled. Darkness can’t exist in the presence of light

Re whether we can get to the Messianic Era without the ‘birthpangs’ and suffering that is so amply described: of course. Darkness can’t exist in the presence of light. Talmud says in order to survive in the times of the birthpangs of mashiach one needs to occupy himself with Torah and gemilut hassadim.

Also, gratefulness evokes miracles.

I too believe we have already suffered enough and we’re already there.

Question to you now after been reading ur other site: could it be that all these leftists that are anti Torah and wanna make peace with the enemies suffer from c-ptsd (toxic shame, self hatred etc) ??

Rivka Levy says

April 3, 2019 at 09:44

Hi Devorah, I’m grateful for you taking the time to share sources.

I will BH write a longer post on this, as what you’re referring to is also part of why Satmar talks about the 4 oaths, restraining Am Yisrael from ‘ascending to Eretz Yisrael as a wall’.

From the first link, the post ends with this:

“And so it is with the service of each and every individual – there is no time to say, ‘I’ll change, when I have the time’, because these could be the very last moments of galus, and after these will come ‘the years about which you say ‘I have no desire for them” – ‘night like day will shine’, the complete redemption by means of Mashiach. ”

That seems to suggest we can’t expect Moshiach to ‘change’ things for us – NOW is the time we need to be doing the work on taking down the yetzer, etc, and fulfilling the mitzvah of making aliya (or at least, WANTING to make aliya).

The 4/5 died because they didn’t want to move out of their comfort zone. It could be that when the Tanya teaches the geula will come ‘comfortably’ and not in haste, that means that the Jewish people had 70 years to get their act together and move to Israel at a time when it was most convenient for them, and they could still come with their assets, and not just some old matza to eat…

There’s a lot of clarification required, and I think it requires a proper blog post, not just a 2 minute response on a comment. So, BH when I have some time I will put that together, with as many sources as I can find.

Re: crazy lefties – they for sure have C-PTSD! That doesn’t excuse them (or any other of the angry, aggressive, narrow-minded and abusive people out there) – but it does explain how they got like that, and it also points to how they can get ‘fixed’ somehow.

Devorah says

April 3, 2019 at 12:16

Rivka, Remember that someone who suffers from c-ptsd could also have the fawn response, not just the fight response. I think most inhabitants of Tel Aviv fawn. It’s really bad. How do they react whenever they see the rockets flying over TLV? “Oh poor Palestinians, you are starving again. It’s about time that our gov treats you more like family” ??

Devorah says

April 3, 2019 at 21:20

And let’s remember, Israel’s enemies also have c-ptsd.

Before the elections, some questions for meditation:

Who should we vote for? Which politician doesn’t have or has the least c-ptsd ?
What if a Torah observant politician has c-ptsd but a non Torah observant politician doesn’t have it? Who should we rather vote for?

Rivka Levy says

April 4, 2019 at 10:00

“The hearts of the kings are in Hashem’s hands” – who we vote for doesn’t matter so much (although clearly much better to vote for someone with daas Torah behind them, because even if we think we know who has C-PTSD and who doesn’t, what do we really know?)

If WE make the teshuva required in our dalet amot, our leaders will have siyatta dishmeya and things will work out, even if they are lunatics. And vice versa.

Devorah says

April 4, 2019 at 18:02

“If WE make the teshuva required ”

Currently according to statistics only 20% of Israelis keep Shabbat.

We need a non-lunatic spiritual as well as political leader.

No one wants to follow a lunatic even if he has daas Torah (remember for instance that NY born rabbi politician who got thrown out of the gov and then shot) and Torah requires one to be healthy!!

Rivka Levy says

April 6, 2019 at 22:02

If someone truly has daas Torah, they won’t be a lunatic. Just because someone has the title of ‘rabbi’, doesn’t mean they have daas Torah.

Also daas Torah is not generally a result of an individual effort, it’s the result of many yireh shemayim people coming together to come up with opinions that reflect genuine daas Torah – that’s why the Sanhedrin had 70 members, that’s why a Beit Din has 3 members. You can’t just have one person calling the shots in true Yiddishkeit.

Daas Torah is a consensus view.

Also, the teshuva required is not just in Israel. I don’t know where you got that stat from about Shabbat – can you please give a source? But I can tell you 100% for sure, that there are far more mitzvahs happening in Israel, and far more people with a true connection to Hashem in Israel.

Doesn’t mean that there aren’t mitzvahs occurring in Chul too, or that there aren’t people with a connection to Hashem there, too, because obviously there are. But our sources say clearly that Israel is the land of emuna. You feel Hashem’s guidance here 24/7, that’s part of why it’s sometimes not easy to live here, you can feel the spiritual judgments in the air, and they can drive you bonkers – or make you make teshuva.

Devorah says

April 7, 2019 at 22:28

Rivka, So who is this person in Israel’s politics that presently has daas haTorah acc to you?

Re the stat: “11% simply as religious, and 9% as ultra-Orthodox. According to the Israel Democracy Institute, the percentage of ultra-Orthodox is slightly higher.”

Source:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/latest-population-statistics-for-israel

80% of Israelis believe in G-d (stat of 2012)

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/1.5175991

Rivka Levy says

April 8, 2019 at 10:37

Daas Torah is collective, it’s not about an individual.

There is no one person in Israeli politics with “Daas Torah”, but there are political parties who clearly state that they don’t act before first consulting ‘Daas Torah’ – i.e. the collective wisdom of yirat-shemayim rabbis who are extremely learned in the finer points of halacha, and who are genuinely striving to try to give God what He wants.

Politics is dirty, there’s no way around it, but at least those types of parties have an additional ‘check’ on their negative impulses.

Thanks for giving the source for the stats – there’s a lot of manipulation of these things going on in the press in Israel, as they are trying to ‘force through’ anti-Shabbat legislation by claiming the majority don’t want it. Here’s what I found about the state of shabbos observance, from two years ago:

Towards the 69th Independence Day of the State of Israel, the Central Bureau of Statistics published a report according to which the population of Israel is approximately 8,680 million. 9% stated that they are ultra-Orthodox, 11% religious, 12% traditional religious, 24% traditional and not so Religious, “44% are not religious and secular.

I.e. 56% of the country keep Shabbat, in some form or other. Again, the reason that you’re seeing all those headlines screaming ‘only 20% are frum!!!!’ is because there’s a lot of political manipulation going on in this country, and huge agendas all over the place. Most of Israel keeps shabbat, but the 44% that doesn’t is often extremely vocal and ‘anti’ religion. It’s v polarised. But that 44% are in charge of the media, the courts and (most of…)the political parties.

Devorah says

Can you post the URL of the article about the stat?
Besides traditional doesn’t mean keeps Shabbat. It usually means they go to shul on rosh hashana and Yom Kippur, they do the pesach seder, brit mila and they install a mezuza.

The entire Middle East is one crazy region. The Arabs beat their wives, the Israelis beat their children, kick their brothers out of their homes and at least half of them divorce but, they wanna make ‘peace’ with the terrorists. Insane!

Rivka Levy says

April 9, 2019 at 09:09

The stat comes from here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Israel

“It usually means they go to shul on rosh hashana and Yom Kippur, they do the pesach seder, brit mila and they install a mezuza.” –

This is a chutz l’aretz definition of ‘traditional’. If you look at the link above, you’ll see that:

“85% [of Jews in Israel] participate in a Passover seder.”

“98% of Israel Jews Perform ‘Brit Milah’ Circumcision” – See here: https://hamodia.com/2017/12/27/poll-98-young-israeli-parents-held-bris-children/

Mezuzahs are ubiquitous in Israel – there is hardly a doorpost without them, and even self-defined ‘secular’ Jews put up mezuzahs – and also, erect sukkahs on Succot.

All this means that a ‘traditional’ Jew in Chul would probably self-define as a ‘secular’ Jew here. In Israel, traditional means the Shabbat is observed in some notable way – people will eat the Friday night meal, they will go to shul, they will not drive, minimum.

In regard to your comments about ‘half of Israelis beating up their children’ – 1) where on earth did you get that from? 2) it’s total lashon hara about Jews in Israel to say that – are you saying that wife-beating and kid-beating doesn’t happen in Jewish communities outside of Israel, or that Israel is somehow ‘worse’ than other places?

On what basis? This comes from a report on domestic abuse in the US Jewish community: (https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-life-and-religion/265934/safe-at-home-2)

“In Jewish families, domestic abuse occurs at about the same rate as in the general population (15-25 percent), among all socioeconomic levels and denominations including the unaffiliated, reports the Jewish Coalition Against Domestic Abuse.”

I know it’s more comfortable to keep demonizing Israel, as that helps to justify why Jews live in Chul. I get that, I understand it. No-one is pretending Israel is perfect, anything but. But the discussion boils back down to ‘what does God want from me, and where does He want the Jewish people to live?’

The answer to the second part of that question is obvious, but it’s qualified – and sometimes superseded – by each person’s individual path in life.

36 replies
  1. Devorah
    Devorah says:

    Rivka, remember the It didn’t start with you book ? I read it last weekend. I think I found a possibile explanation for the crazy erev rav behavior . Do you have the book? PS. It’s too bad you deleted the Deconstructing Geulah post. I found it interesting and I miss it.

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  2. Devorah
    Devorah says:

    …also, in this article here you didn’t publish my reply(s) to your last comment. That is not fair. You deleted what you disagreed with and you published an incomplete copy of our last discussion. Hmmm

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    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      No, I didn’t. If you check the date, I took the comments straight up to the last place we got to with them on both sides. The discussion then continued after this was posted up, but all comments have been unfortunately deleted from all posts on the new site, which is not something that I knew was going to happen.

      I’d be grateful if you could make an effort to judge me more fairly, at least in public.

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  3. Devorah
    Devorah says:

    …that just reminds me how the leftists are manipulating the media in Israel…. You hate them so much that you end up copying them.

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  4. Devorah
    Devorah says:

    Rivka when i posted my last comment i didn’t know nor see that in the meantime you had replied. sorry about that; I also didn’t know that all comments have been unfortunately deleted from all posts ..
    Anyway you missed the last place we got to with the comments on both sides.
    In any case, do u have that book It didnt start with you ??

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  5. Devorah
    Devorah says:

    By the way the Jewish Agency does not want me to make aliyah so..
    Why? I dont know. They’ve told me unrelevant excuses and this while
    I HAD to make aliyah and I’m Jewish.
    I’m disgusted. I changed my mind in the meantime and I don’t want to
    talk about it anymore.

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    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      Can you tell me what they told you? I’ve been hearing more and more stories of Jews being put off from making aliya to Israel, and I’m really starting to wonder what the heck is going on with it.

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  6. Devorah
    Devorah says:

    Their CNS (central nerv system) has been programmed to tolerate evil. Same reason I’m just guessing for why although acc to international law Israel can carpet bomb gaza, gaza is still alive and cancer is the number one cause of mortality in Israel.
    In it didn’t start with you it explains how the victims of trauma will in many cases evil.. sic

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    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      Devorah, are you a convert to Judaism? I personally know of a number of cases where orthodox converts are being denied entry to Israel, or at the very least are being given a massive run-around and given a big list of things to do before they will be accepted, that is putting a lot of people off.

      But so far, I haven’t heard of them denying entry to a born Jew who can prove they are halachically Jewish.

      I’m sorry you’ve had that experience, it’s very distressing. But, dafka it’s when we’re faced with such ‘weird’ situations that we have to look for Hashem’s hand in it all. Ein od milvado – Hashem is all there is. Hashem is doing everything, Hashem is just using difficult people as ‘sticks’ to achieve an end.

      Personally, I’ve had so many challenging circumstances that have turned around totally – and miraculously – when I made some changes in my own outlook and perspective, and made some teshuva. At the end of the day, everything we go through boils down to that: seeing God behind it, and figuring out what’s the message.

      But if I can help you with the aliya stuff, please let me know – privately, if you want.

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  7. Devorah
    Devorah says:

    I’m born Jewish and have proved it. I also follow R Nachman. Even if they will let me make Aliya later (IF I will decide to apply again) I will never forget how they rejected my Aliya. I hope a bomb lands on their skull.

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    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      I understand the upset, but that’s a horrible thing to say, and the complete opposite of having emuna. Nasty people are just the sticks in God’s hand, and He’s using those sticks to get US to change and fix things.

      Wishing bad on a fellow Jew, however yucky they are, never brought anyone any blessings in life – in fact, it does the opposite. I hope you’ll reconsider.

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  8. Devorah
    Devorah says:

    I’m in Canada, not in the US. People who behave like that ( you don’t know the whole story) don’t have a neshama and are not Jewish and don’t deserve to rule over Jews or live in Israel. I’m a good person. When you Israel will finally permit itself to feel anger at your enemies you will finally have the inner strength to annihilate your ennemies COmPLETELY and not fear what the nations will say! Who are they?!

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    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      Everyone has a neshama – everyone. The whole test, the whole path of Rebbe Nachman and Azamra is to see past the klipa, the peel, and know that the inside is only good.

      The whole world is just a mirror… I don’t think ‘getting angry’ is going to solve anyone’s problem on the personal or national level. But working on our emuna and humility really could start to get things to move.

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      • Devorah
        Devorah says:

        Re don’t think ‘getting angry’ is going to solve anyone’s problem on the personal or national level.—

        If Israel were a little more angry the Arabs would never have gotten the temple mount nor gaza nor survived that long. When Hashem says kill if someone comes to kill you it doesn’t mean meditate, pray or study. It means: KILL. Make sure don’t permit a single more heart beat!! Obey and trust Hashem.

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        • Rivka Levy
          Rivka Levy says:

          Devorah, anger is a very negative character trait, and our Sages teach that when a person becomes angry, it’s as though they worship idols. If more us started to get to grips with our anger problems and other negative character traits, that would probably help a lot. If someone rises up to kill us, of course we shouldn’t just sit there and take it, we should defend ourselves with everything we’ve got.

          But in this situation, if Israel went in heavy in Gaza, we’d be swiftly condemned by the anti-Semitic international community, probably subjected to crippling sanctions, prosecuted for war crimes in the Hague – and the Jewish communities in the diaspora would see a massive spike in violent attacks and local pogroms from anti-semites just waiting for an opportunity to avenge the poor victims in Gaza. That doesn’t sound like such a rosy outcome to me.

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    • Devorah
      Devorah says:

      Reply to ur last comment about anger:

      Acc to international law Israel has the right to carpet bomb the place of origin of a flying missile. You should remind the UN countries at the UN of this law and then warn everyone incl the ennemies that this is what you will do next time. Then, just do it. If they complain afterwards, remind them only once that you told them and then shut up and continue life as usual and trust in Hashem. Be firm and stop complaining, explaining, justifying, proving etc to Papa and mama nations. Just do what u need to do. The nations will respect a self-respecting israel. Sorry, this is best advice I can give here and now, would have preferred to be in Israel.

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  9. Devorah
    Devorah says:

    Perhaps you should write a blog article about this.

    In your home who is the boss, you and your husband or your kids? In Israel only the Israeli gov should have the last word, not the nations of the world. It’s a LIE from the UN security or human rights council and the governments of the nations and the Pal authority that Israel is violating international law whenever it defends itself! Famous US lawyer Alan Dershowitz wrote an entire book about it. The nations are like small misbehaving and rebelling/ harassing children or a wild horse that need a strong, firm authority for guidance and discipline. Instead Israel is playing the role of the child fearing retribution of his parents. “Daddy look at what sis did to me. Pls punish her or let me beat her up until she returns my toy to me. Bad sis! Bad sis! etc etc” It’s ridiculous. Reclaim your role as a parent.

    If Israel can do such a wonderful job in hosting 44 nations for the Eurovision and its “rebranding” campaign, Israel can do the same for defense. You need PR , marketing , social media managers, good speech writers and maybe a better public speaking expert.

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    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      I know it looks like that, but really, we just need all the Jews to come back to God wholeheartedly. God is just using the nations of the world as a stick, to get the Jews to make teshuva. If Israel was a totally God-fearing country (or at least mostly, considering we’re all flawed human beings who are constantly making mistakes) – there would be no terrorists, no rockets. Ditto, if Jews the world over feared God, there would be no anti-semitism. That’s the real root of the problem, so all this other stuff sounds good, in theory, but in practise it won’t solve the problem.

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  10. Devorah
    Devorah says:

    Whether I am right or you’re right, the present situation is toxic (and the longer it lasts the worse it becomes) and health always has priority in Judaism.

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  11. Devorah
    Devorah says:

    Re “God is just using the nations of the world as a stick, to get the Jews to make teshuva.” —

    Suppose it’s true. That doesn’t absolve you of your responsibility to kill someone who is coming to kill your fellow Jew. The Torah says “Do not kill” but, “If someone comes to kill you, kill him first.” And if you can save a fellow Jew from dying but you refuse to do it it’s like you murdered him.

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    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      Devorah, I’m trying to save my fellow Jews from dying by encouraging them to a) make teshuva and b) make aliya, if possible. I’m not in charge of the IDF, I’m not the PM, all this other stuff is just pie in the sky discussion. UPDATE: After re-reading this comment, let me say that I’m not ‘saving’ anyone. Who am I and what am I, to even pretend I can ‘save’ anyone else? I’m just a blogger who is bringing up stuff to consider, and each person is responsible for themselves.

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      • Devorah
        Devorah says:

        You posted “God is just using the nations of the world as a stick, to get the Jews to make teshuva.” when we discussed Gaza.

        You wrote an entire blogpost about me so I replied.

        You and your campaign..

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        • Devorah
          Devorah says:

          Before you do teshuva you have to be sane and have good midot. It’s insane to just react to what’s happening with Gaza by saying good is just using the goyim as a stick towards us! And you will succeed better in bringing Jews to Israel by first showing that you are normal. Why should Jews come to a warzone and a country that doesn’t even protect it’s citizens?? And refuses entry to some good jews ??

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          • Rivka Levy
            Rivka Levy says:

            1) Emuna is believing that God is all there is – Ein Od Milvado. There is no force operating in the world that God is not behind. See the Rambam’s first principle of faith, this is basic Judaism 101.
            2) It’s illogical to say ‘before you do teshuva you have to be sane and have good middot’ – it’s precisely backwards. You get good middot by doing teshuva.
            3) I never pretended to be normal – as long time readers can attest to in their droves! – and I’m not trying to ‘bring Jews to Israel’. I’m interested in challenging the lies that people tell themselves – and others – about a whole bunch of things. Israel is just one part of that.
            4) Good question! – Only if God wants them to come to Israel. How do they know what God wants? They should talk to Him and find out.
            5) There are definitely problems with the State of Israel encouraging non-Jews to come to Israel and barring Jews, especially orthodox converts, from coming. I’m hearing that from a lot of different people and places, and I don’t know how best to tackle the subject, as the State of Israel is still a little scary. I’m praying on it, and if God gives it to me, I’ll write something more about it.

            In the meantime, the best way to get to Israel is to up the hitbodedut, and to work on our bad middot, especially our sinat chinam and tendency to bad mouth other Jews online. B’hatslacha, Devorah.

        • Rivka Levy
          Rivka Levy says:

          Believe it or not, I’m in touch with many people who are having troubles coming to Israel, for all sorts of reasons. Devorah, I don’t think my website is doing you any favors, mentally. Maybe take a break and find a site that’s more fitted to your state of mind and beliefs?

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    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      I’m more of the opinion that followed that comment, namely:

      “AnonymousMay 14, 2019 at 4:49 AM
      What, chalila, is it going to take for Jews to wake up? You can’t just carry on business as usual,claiming unity, my mission etc, etc. Everyone, regardless of their circumstances has to start planning their aliya and that of their community, (which is true unity of the Jewish people, and not as from the megila Am echad mefuzar umefurad, true unity is Am Yisrael in Eretz Yisrael keeping Torat Yisrael.) If Am Yisrael had returned home when they had the chance before the Purim story they wouldn’t have been mefuzar umefurad which is what allowed Haman harasha to rise up against us).

      Again. Step one, START, step two, PLAN. Unless you are in a coma, you can take these two steps. Pick up a pen and paper and start making your plan of everything that needs to happen. Start packing and or getting rid of your stuff. A journey of a thousand miles starts with one step.

      Get a job teaching English online to Chinese children, it’s all the rage,

      https://www.janglo.net/index.php?option=com_adsmanager&page=display&catid=90&tid=455504

      http://www.teacheslenglish.com/

      Portable parnasa in your pyjamas.

      Talk to Hashem, beg for help in overcoming whatever your challenges are. Some are real and some are blocks we create for ourselves. (My American doctor in Israel told me of her friend who refuses to make aliya because of the treatment her child is receiving in the US. Sounds reasonable, until you hear that my doctor told her that the treatment in Israel for the child’s condition is both better and free, but her friend refuses to believe her.)

      The situation is dire, listen to Rav Richter on Poway. And make your new mantra, not “it can happen here”, but “it is happening here”.

      Everyone loves Rav Anava, you should listen to what he has to say about the situation, he says that there are no guarantees that the Shoah, chalila, can’t happen again. He talks about his grandmother, about how they were warned and how people didn’t take it seriously. She left literally on the day before Kristallnacht. His message is that Jews should make aliya post haste.

      “Not a doomsday rabbi but a wakeup rabbi” he says of himself.

      Read Em Habamim Smeicha.

      I was at the kotel on rosh chodesh iyar and davened for MM and for klal yisrael to make aliya, Be”D. The worse your situation is, the more you need to daven for yeshuot Be”D. You can’t, but Hashem can.

      Everyone is dreaming. You can attack me, but I am just a messenger repeating the message of rabbis you respect. (Also Rav Mizrahi, and Rav Brody said the same thing, repeated from Rav Yehuda Zev Leibowitz zatzal) And why do I bother? “I’m alright Jack”. Because I care about Am Yisrael, and have a sickening feeling when I think about Jews in exile, in America in particular.”

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  12. Devorah
    Devorah says:

    I can tell by what you write how come you’ve been chronically sick and why you have to work so hard to make sure you don’t get sick again.

    Reply
    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      I’m approving your comments because I really need the ‘diamonds’ to move forward with some other projects I have going on. But you should know that they are abusive.

      Reply
  13. Devorah
    Devorah says:

    Do you work for the Israeli government?

    Hashem doesn’t like uncompassionate behaviour. I and Rabbi Kessin (see video in the URL above) neither. By the way, R Kessin is also a psychotherapist.

    Clarification from last comment: If you lack the mida of rachamim (or resilience), your own health will suffer. Psycho-neuro-immunology… Or, mida keneged mida..

    Go out into the fields and do hitbodedut about that …

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