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The pagan roots of Western Medicine

We’ve all been brainwashed into believing that ‘Western Medicine’ is somehow whiter than white, spiritually.

OK…. it’s based on a totally atheist, God-denying worldview….

OK…. it promotes abortions on demand, kills people with ‘experimental therapies’ and dangerous drugs and unnecessary surgical procedures left, right and centre….

OK…. it’s based mostly on greed (private and corporate), ego, and arrogance that ‘man can play God’, when it comes to human health….

But apart from all that, it’s whiter than white, spiritually.


Not at all like all that ‘voodoo’ black magic stuff involving tuning forks and chiropractors, no siree.

Or is it?


This post is motivated, at least in part, by JR’s comment that:

Vibration medicine wasn’t just used by these occultists, it was invented by them based on occult ideology.

The ideas themselves are occult.

How are you going to kasher a treif idea?

After I read that, I decided to do more of a ‘deep dive’ to understand exactly where most of the practises and ‘ideology’ behind Western Medicine actually came from.

What I learned is very interesting, very enlightening – and shows that ‘Western Medicine’ is just as steeped in ‘occult idealogy’ than anything else you care to mention.

(Without even mentioning the obvious, that anything that denies God and the human soul clearly can’t be coming from a good, holy place.)


First, let’s try to define what we’re really talking about, when we say ‘Western medicine’.

I would define Western medicine as a system that teaches the physical body is totally separate from the soul, and that effectively teaches that the body is all there is, when it comes to treating disease and illnesses.

There is no God in the picture.

There is no soul in the picture.

Western medicine treats the human body as an animated piece of meat.

Does this sound accurate?


To put this another way, Western medicine is based on atheist idealogy that denies the existence of God.

And no-one can really dispute that.


Now, let’s try to define the word ‘occult’.

The devil is always in the definitions, that why I try to pin the terms down very tightly, before continuing on with the birur.

According to the Cambridge dictionary, ‘occult’ is both a noun and a verb:


relating to magical powers and activities, such as those of witchcraft and astrology:

the occult

the study of magic or mysterious powers
Here’s a little more of its etymology, from Wikipedia HERE:
The occult (from the Latin word occultus “clandestine, hidden, secret”) is “knowledge of the hidden”. In common usage, occult refers to “knowledge of the paranormal”, as opposed to “knowledge of the measurable”, usually referred to as science.

Interestingly, it’s only when the satanic Freemasons started exploding all over the place 200 years ago that the term ‘occult’ came to be inextricably linked with sorcery and black magic, in modern parlance.

Here’s another snippet from that same Wikipedia page:

The term occult sciences was used in 16th-century Europe to refer to astrologyalchemy, and natural magic.


In case you don’t know what ‘natural magic’ refers too, here’s a snippet from that term’s Wiki page:

Natural magic in the context of Renaissance magic is that part of the occult which deals with natural forces directly, as opposed to ceremonial magic which deals with the summoning of spirits.

Natural magic sometimes makes use of physical substances from the natural world such as stones or herbs.

Natural magic so defined includes astrology, alchemy, and disciplines that we would today consider fields of natural science, such as astronomy and chemistry (which developed and diverged from astrology and alchemy, respectively, into the modern sciences they are today) or botany (from herbology)….

Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa discusses natural magic in his Three Books of Occult Philosophy (1533), where he calls it “nothing else but the highest power of natural sciences”.

The Italian Renaissance philosopher Giovanni Pico della Mirandola, who founded the tradition of Christian Kabbalah, argued that natural magic was “the practical part of natural science” and was lawful rather than heretical.


Hey, wait a minute!!!

What are all these ‘occult’ references and links, and descriptions of ‘natural magic’ doing in a discussion of chemistry, natural science and the philosophical foundations of Western medicine?!?!

Surely, there must be some mistake…


The illustration below is one of the figures you’ll find in Agrippa’s work ‘Three Books of Occult Philosophy’, snippet from HERE:

The three books deal with elemental, celestial and intellectual magic.

The books outline the four elementsastrologyKabbalahnumerologyangelsnames of God, the virtues and relationships with each other as well as methods of utilizing these relationships and laws in medicine.


I highlighted the bit for you that says: “Man inscribed in a pentagram’.

If it looks familiar, this could be why:

It’s the Vitruvian Man diagram of leading freemason and occultist Leonardo da Vinci – also acclaimed as ‘the father of modern anatomy’.





And we saw this demonic ‘man in a pentagram’ somewhere else recently, connected to Western medicine…

(And don’t forget his pentagram tattoo – but I don’t want to inflict THAT picture on readers again…. once was more than enough.)


So, it’s starting to look like Western medicine (and modern science…) is also rooted, deeply in ‘occult idealogy’.

But let’s just do a bit more checking around.

Let’s take a look at where Hippocrates, the ancient Greek philosopher acclaimed as the idealogical father of Western medicine got his ideas from.

(Western doctors are still required to take the Hippocratic Oath, which is a total sick joke, after what’s gone on with these Covid shots…)


Here’s what Wiki teaches us about the uber scientific Hippocratic Oath:

The Hippocratic Oath is an oath of ethics historically taken by physicians….

In its original form, it requires a new physician to swear, by a number of healing gods, to uphold specific ethical standards. 


You caught that part about swearing allegiance to ‘healing gods’, right?

The Greeks had a bunch of them:


In fact, Hippocrates learnt much of his medical knowledge at a pagan temple dedicated for this purpose.

Snippet from HERE:

His training was probably conducted at an asklepeion, which was a type of temple in ancient Greece dedicated to the mythological demi-god Asklepius , who was also a physician. These temples were staffed by skilled healers who functioned as rudimentary doctors and surgeons.


What was Hippocrates’ biggest ‘contribution’ to healing?

He basically disconnected physical illnesses and diseases from the ‘spiritual realm’ – i.e. Divine intervention – and said that it all just had a natural basis, instead.

I.e., he was the first to come up with the idea that God (or for him, being a pagan idol worshiper, ‘the gods’) were NOT behind illness and sickness, and that everything had a physical, gashmius cause and cure, instead.

Of course, you get run over by a bus, there’s a very ‘natural’ reason why you are sick. But God is still the one who sent the bus…


So, we see that Western Medicine has its twin facets of rooted in the pagan-worshipping ‘occult’, AND ALSO, rooted in heretical atheism.



You can trace the use of surgery and drugs all the way back to Ancient Egypt, and again, these procedures were practised in religious settings, in temples, and the priests were the ones with the ‘knowledge’ of how to heal.

It’s as occult as you could possibly hope to get.

Watch this cute four minute video – a TED talk from 2018 – to get more of a flavor of what we’re talking about, here:


If you go HERE, you’ll read about the Ebers Papyrus, which sets out a great deal of how medicine was practised in Ancient Egypt.

Here’s a relevant snippet:

[T]he Egyptian medical world was divided into two categories:

the “Rational methods” which were treatments that would be parallel to the scientific principles of today, and the “Irrational methods”   which involved magico-religious beliefs using amulets, incantations, and written spells calling to the Egyptian gods of old.

After all, during this time there was a strong association with magic, religion, and medical health being one holistic experience. 


So, to sum this up clearly, surgery and drugs were invented and used by exactly the same people who were reciting magical incantations to pagan gods, while teaching their methods to novices in pagan temples.

Let’s just update JR’s original comment to reflect this new information:

Western medicine wasn’t just used by these occultists, it was invented by them based on occult ideology.

The ideas themselves are occult.

How are you going to kasher a treif idea?

How indeed?


In case you think that was only happening in ancient Egypt, let’s just return to Hippocrates’ Greece for a second, before swooping on to India.

This image comes from another interesting article HERE:


This image is a drawing of an etching taken from the wall of the Asclepion in Athens.

This is what an ‘Asclepion’ actually was, from Wiki:

Asclepieia were healing temples located in ancient Greece (and in the wider Hellenistic and Roman world), dedicated to Asclepius, the first doctor-demigod in Greek mythology.

 Asclepius was said to have been such a skilled doctor that he could even raise people from the dead. So stemming from the myth of his great healing powers, pilgrims would flock to temples built in his honor in order to seek spiritual and physical healing.


This is where Hippocrates learnt his medicine, and taught it, and these temples were literally decorated with pictures of surgical instruments that wouldn’t be out of place in ‘Western Medicine’.


Western medicine wasn’t just used by these occultists, it was invented by them based on occult ideology.

The ideas themselves are occult.

How are you going to kasher a treif idea?


OK, last stop is India.

You probably never heard of a guy (or ‘demi god’) called Sushruta.

But he is credited with inventing much of what we find today in Western surgical techniques.

This from Wiki:

Sushruta’s writings report autopsies of a corpse; he described 500 muscles, 300 bones, 107 joints, 70 blood vessels, and other organs of the body. 

It also describes the rules of personal hygiene, more than 700 medicinal plants and medicinal products of animal and mineral origin, methods of their preparation and use.

In his writings, he described many acute and chronic diseases, gave symptoms of diseases that later became known as smallpox, cholera, erysipelas, diabetes, and epilepsy. 

Sushruta gained special fame as an outstanding surgeon of antiquity. In his writings, more than 100 surgical instruments, various probes, silk and linen threads are mentioned. 

He performed surgical procedures, used straight and curved needles, and used henbane and hashish as anesthetics. He described 14 forms of dressings. 

He performed amputations, plastic surgeries, there are descriptions of medical techniques in cases of difficult labor, Cesarean section. Sushruta reports 72 types of eye diseases, describes the removal operation for cataracts; he is credited with using a magnet to remove foreign bodies from the eye.


Impressive, isn’t it?

Very ‘Western Medically-sounding’, isn’t it?

Now, here’s the kicker:

According to legend, Sushruta was a disciple of the very god of medical art Dhanvantari, who incarnated as Divodasa, the king of Kashi.

Hey…. wait a minute!

What is all this ‘occult’ stuff doing mixed up with cesarean sections, cataract removal, anesthesia and 700 medicinal preparations for curing illness?!


I’m going to stop here, for now.

I have a ton more to say, and I’m starting to trip over how all this pagan medical heresy got introduced into the Jewish community, and presented as ‘whiter-than-white’.

It seems the ancestors of so many of the people I’ve been writing about here, who are known Sabbateans and Frankists, practised the medical profession…

And learnt their trade in church-controlled medieval universities, because medicine and religion has ALWAYS gone together.

We will come back to that part of the story another time, but it connects us directly back to the ‘Christian kabbalists’ mentioned above, who were hanging out with so many of the Jews who became leading Sabbateans.

And who knows, what they really were, before that happened?

But we’ll pin all this down eventually, with God’s help.


And for now, we’re back at the thorny question of how it’s somehow not ‘OK’ to go to a chiropractor, or use a tuning fork, because of its putative association with avoda zara, yet it’s perfectly fine to submit to surgical procedures taught by people who openly deny God, that were developed and practised, literally, in temples of pagan tumah in the most avoda zara settings possible.

Maybe, someone can enlighten me?

And we didn’t even start discussing the real, atrocious, historical story behind ‘vaccines’ yet.

But we will, BH.



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18 replies
  1. Daisy
    Daisy says:

    Wow… all I can say is “wow”: what incredible research! Fantastic. Thank you Rivka!

    You know , when graduating, I HAD to take the Hippocratic oath, it was part of the ceremony; I had no clue, I thought it is a very fair promise. Overall it is; but yes, as you are showing it, it is associated with paganism. So what to do? On one hand the promise is a good and important one, on the other hand we are certainly not allowed to take an oath based on idols; so what to do??? What should Jewish medical students do in this environment, especially in the Galut? And is that oath enforced in Israeli medical schools as well? If so the truth HAS to be exposed, so future doctors will rebel, and INSIST on no such oath. Maybe we need to create a Jewish version of that neder; what do you think? Is that even allowed?

    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      Don’t know – it’s an interesting idea. And it kind of goes to the heart about whether all this ‘surgery and drugs’ stuff is ‘Jewish’, really, in any case.

      Can we kosher the Western Medicine pig?

      Maybe, we have to in this ‘inbetween stage’ of geula, until we really get back to doing things the way we are meant to, understanding that God is behind everything, and that has to be the first address to visit on the quest for wellness, and not the last one once we’ve gone through all other avenues.

      There’s lot more to write about this. Rabbenu has lots to say on the matter. I will return to the topic again soon, BH.

  2. chaimapsanaim
    chaimapsanaim says:

    Very nice article.

    In his book, R’ Raphael Szmerla writes that, from all the Alternative Health practices he brings (Kinesiology, Reiki, Chi arts, dowsing and others), only Shamanism and Feng Shui are really forbidden.

    The reason for Shamanism is that it invokes spirits and the practitioner thanks/submits to them.
    For Feng Shui, the problem is that it constitutes pure superstition with no logic.

    The cutting line is actually not whether something has some scientific explanation, but whether it has some reasonable logic. Having scientific explanation makes it definitely kosher (barring other issues), but is not crucial.

    I am however a bit confused, and am willing to be correct, but it doesn’t seem to me the occult is inherently bad. It seems that it has, together with Kabbalah, been hijacked by satanism for its nefarious ends.

    I read a bit about the Kyballion, the basis book for “occult”, and it doesn’t seem to contain any inherently bad ideas.

    It’s more of a philosophical treatise on the nature of the world. It seems to me it is also used for Alchemy, and that’s something Rabbi Chaim Vital writes he himself studied.

    “Science” also wondrously found out that most of reality is actually vacuum and energy, which was already a known fact a long time ago when the use of energy healing was common place. We don’t travel through walls because of the electro-magnetic repulsion, not because it’s “solid”.

    Miracles, even by our prophets also don’t happen without a mechanism, even if they use Hashem’s names. Essentially, they act as keys and reverberate throughout Creation to achieve the desired effect.

    I’m willing to bet some freemasons labelled this all into alternative/hippie/woo-woo crock in order to control people through “modern science”. I mean, imagine chas v’shalom someone has a condition and instead of being pumped with chemicals that destroy their livers, lungs and heart, goes to a Chinese chi master who heals him for a fraction of the price, without any side effects and as naturally as possible…


    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      Thanks for this Chaim, it’s useful info.

      From what I can see at the mo, ‘occult’ originally meant ‘mysterious or hidden knowledge’ – look at the word from the Latin, that’s the original etymology.

      OF COURSE, so much that is ‘mysterious and hidden’ can also be evil.

      But it can also be very, very good – as we see with God-fearing kabbalists who are studying kabbalah l’shem shemayim, and not just to make a name for themselves, or to earn a lot of money.

      This is going to be a very involved birur, and there is a LOT more to write about it, as we try to figure all this out.

      Thanks for your thoughtful input.

  3. JR
    JR says:

    “We’ve all been brainwashed into believing that ‘Western Medicine’ is somehow whiter than white, spiritually.”
    Not true. Conventional medicine doesn’t touch upon spiritual matters.

    “kills people with ‘experimental therapies’ and dangerous drugs”
    and it saves people with ‘experimental therapies’ and dangerous drugs”. Not to mention proven therapies and safe drugs.

    ” and unnecessary surgical procedures left, right and centre….”
    What about neccessary sugeries?

    “. it’s based mostly on greed (private and corporate)”
    No it isn’t. Consider all those Anglo doctors who made aliyah from places where they could make much more than they make here. There’s plenty of private and corporate greed in alt-medicine.

    “ego, and arrogance that ‘man can play God’, when it comes to human health….”
    One of my doctors told me that my health was up to Hashem. Note that your statement is true for alt-med quacks. Some of the alt-med quacks, based on their pantheism- don’t just believe they play god- they believe they are god. And that make egotistical and arrogant proclamation about their ability. The founders of chiropractic were very arrogant- just read their writings.

    “it promotes abortions on demand”
    Only pro-abortion doctors. The statement is untrue in regards to doctors opposed to abortion. Example: https://aaplog.org/

    “Western medicine treats the human body as an animated piece of meat…To put this another way, Western medicine is based on atheist idealogy that denies the existence of God.”

    Incorrect inference. The second statement does not follow from the first.

    “I would define Western medicine as a system that teaches the physical body is totally separate from the soul”
    You define? What gives you the authority to define? In any case, your’re wrong. Western medicine doesn’t teach this because they don’t deal with the soul.

    “The devil is always in the definitions,”
    I don’t know why you’re invoking a spiritual concept foreign to Judaism.

    “Freemasons started exploding all over the place 200 years ago”
    Wrong. The first fully speculative lodge opened in 1717. Speculative masonry of course existed before side-by-side with operative masonry before that. And the occult and western mysticism was always around even if not so prominent.

    “that the term ‘occult’ came to be inextricably linked with sorcery and black magic, in modern parlance.”
    The term today is occasionally used in a non-magic meaning such as the infrequent term “occultation”. Ask your local kupah lab technician what the term “occult blood” means. In any case, the term was already connected to magic and superstition in the middle of the 17th century. See Thomas Blount’s dictionary of 1656 on the entry for “Magick Art” were he refers to “occult wisdom”. But the term’s magic connotation preceeds the development of Modern English- for example Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa’s De Occulta Philosophia in 1531 (English edition in 1651) as you noted.

    “So, it’s starting to look like Western medicine (and modern science…) is also rooted, deeply in ‘occult idealogy’.”

    Incorrect. Western medicine is not deeply rooted in occult idea. It’s uprooted from the occult. Any vestiges of the occult are long gone. And even earlier the Rambam wasn’t involved in them. So it wasn’t deeply rooted in the 12h century either. On the other hand, modern alt-med quacks still haven’t shaken off their occult beliefs. That’s why John Thie chose Budha as his inspiration for Touch For Health.

    “And we saw this demonic ‘man in a pentagram’ somewhere else recently, connected to Western medicine…”
    Do all doctors have pentagram tatoos?

    “The Hippocratic Oath..”
    …now you’re getting desperate. The oath has nothing to do with the science of medicine. Taking the oath doesn’t turn someone into a doctor. Study, passing exams, residency, internship etc.. are what makes a doctor.

    “It seems the ancestors of so many of the people I’ve been writing about here, who are known Sabbateans and Frankists, practised the medical profession…”
    Ancestry doesn’t make one a doctor. Medical training is not inherited, it’s learned. And it’s generally not learned in the home. And there’s no such thing as Sabbatean or Frankist medicine.

    Summary: Nothing you’ve claimed is correct.

    “taught by people who openly deny God… Maybe, someone can enlighten me?”
    You’re conflating the ideas with the teacher. The Rambam wrote that we should accept the truth from whomever says it. So there’s nothing wrong, per se, with learning from an athest providing he not teaching you atheism. (Of course, all things being equal, it would be preferred to study with some with יראת שמים. Poskim have already ruled that one consult with the most competent, rather than the most frum doctors. Of course, when there a halachic question it may crucial that the doctor appreciates the halachic issues- so that he won’t recommend violation שבת unless medically necessary.) When I talk about the occult roots of chiropractic I’m not just refering to the founders personally, I’m talking about the ideas themselves. While most chiropractors tody aren’t into the occult root of their profession (though some may still use the terminology unware of the signficance), the same can’t be said of the innovators of Applied Kineseolgy. Goodheart paid tribute to his pantheist god in the introduction to his book. His protege John Thie invokes Budha. Another protege John Diamond was also an occultist as you can see from books on Amazon. A quick glance at his website reveals his occult ideology. Look closely how his name appears on the header- there’s a not so hidden occult reference there.
    The point is that these practises have been and are currently tied to the occult, not just by their enthusiasts- but by the very ideas themselves.

    Finally, I’ll note that you actually haven’t dealt with the occult basis for alternative medicine. You’ve merely deflected by writing untrue things about modern contemporary medicine.

    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      Where do we see any Jews in the Torah – the 5 books of Moses – using surgery or drugs to ‘get well’?

      We’ve clearly established that ‘drugs and surgery’ were Egyptian practices, taught and practiced in idolatrous temples.

      Where do we see Am Yisrael using these practices in the Torah?

      • JR
        JR says:

        “Where do we see any Jews in the Torah – the 5 books of Moses – using surgery or drugs to ‘get well’?”

        (Where do you see Am Yisrael work for a living in the Torah – the 5 books of Moses? You don’t because they will living on miracles in the wilderness!)

        In any the source you’re looking for is:
        רפא ירפא

        By the way, your insistence on תנ”ך alone reveals your Karaite tendencies. Why not include the entirety of tradition? But I guess that insistence explains why you continually mock גדולי ישראל.

        The fact is that Judaism was always in favor of medicine. Many גדולי ישראל were physicians. Rambam, Ramban, Yehuda HaLevi, Ralbag and so many more. Pretty much all the גדולים consulted with doctors. The גמרא and the שלחן ערוך all deal with medical questions, and so to do the responsa of the great פוסקים throughout the generations.

        All that means, that any claim that medicine is forbidden is at best false, or at worst heretical. Rav Chaim Brisker rejected such views as foreign to Judaism.

        Your research is interesting, but the sweeping conclusion you derive from it is utterly bogus and does follow from the random irrelevant facts you cite. Any problematic aspects of medical history no longer exists.

        And you still haven’t answer why you promote Buddhist inspired Touch For Health, or the pantheist AK.

        • Rivka Levy
          Rivka Levy says:

          ‘Consulting with doctors’ – of the type that you would dismiss as alt-health ‘quacks’ – is not the same as pushing surgery and drugs.

          The Rambam was not a surgeon, nor did he push drugs.

          The reason I am putting your comments up, is because they make the point about the total ‘dual standard’ you are applying to Western medicine.

          BTW – it looks like the ‘Buddhists’ were also responsible for introducing innoculation to the world:

          The earliest hints of the practice of inoculation for smallpox in China come during the 10th century.[6] A Song dynasty (960–1279) chancellor of China, Wang Dan (957–1017), lost his eldest son to smallpox and sought a means to spare the rest of his family from the disease, so he summoned physicians, wise men, and magicians from all across the empire to convene at the capital in Kaifeng and share ideas on how to cure patients of it until an allegedly divine man from Mount Emei carried out inoculation.”


          Hey look! Another ‘allegedly divine man’ in idolatrous, Buddhist / Taoist China is the one who came up with the idea of vaccination….

          Please, eat your hat already.

          And remember, you have two comments a day, to prevent you from totally spamming my blog with all your hypocritical c*ap. And that’s probably overly generous.

          • JR
            JR says:

            “The Rambam was not a surgeon, nor did he push drugs.”

            We have his writings on surgery and drugs! He was not opposed to these interventions when appropriate. (And you know what his position on occult medicine was.) Do some research before making obviously incorrect claims.

            ” it looks like the ‘Buddhists’ were also responsible for introducing innoculation to the world”
            Wrong. It may have been a Buddhist (but there were other religions then too), but the practice was not Buddhist. The precursors of the smallpox vaccine is well documented, and has nothing to do with religion.

            ” totally spamming”
            Two or three comments is not spamming. Another mistake.

            You’ve made three mistakes just in this comment, and you haven’t addressed the other mistakes.

            Again, how do you explain the rich Torah tradition dealing with doctors and medicine? All the גדולים went to doctors and consulted with them. They took drugs when prescribed and underwent surgery when necessary. The poskim wrote hundreds of תשובות on the topic- and all of them (excluding a neglible בטל minority- whose ideas were rejected) advised people to seek out medical care? How to explain that? Are all those great rabbis pagans? What are you going to do with the ציץ אליעזר, אגרות משה, שלחן שלמה ,רבבות אפרים , דברי יציב
            ,עובדיה יוסף, מנחת אשר , חזון איש and all the rest? Are you going to mock and condemn them while endorsing Buddha & pantheist inspired Touch For Health?

          • Rivka Levy
            Rivka Levy says:

            Your middot are disgusting.

            To be clear, I’m not ‘arguing’ with you, when I reply to your comments, I’m putting up information for other readers whose brains are capable of absorbing new information, and reformulating opinions as a result of that process. Something you clearly can’t do – you are literally brain-damaged, and I wish you a speedy refuah shleima.

            In the meantime, thank you for all your bizayon and disgusting personal attacks.

            I think you also have a problem reading English (and also, problems stringing together logical arguments. And we already alluded to your obvious neuro degeneration and bad middot.)

            I wrote that the Rambam was not a surgeon and drug pusher.


            Here is some of the Rambam’s approach to medicine – his first principal is to put the ‘soul dimension’ front and centre in the treatment of a patient, something which Western Medicine never, ever does – because it’s atheistic and ‘anti God’. (At best…)

            From HERE:


            “He enumerated rules for maintaining health, telling those who obeyed them that: “I give him a guaranty that … he will not need a physician, and his body will be perfect and faultless all his days. This on the condition that his body was not imperfect from birth, that he has not adopted bad conduct from childhood, and that there did not come a disaster of plague or dryness upon the world.”

            He was fully aware of the importance of psychosomatic disorders and warned against hurrying to treat such cases with medicine. He wrote: “Therefore it is the physicians’ order to keep in sight the movements of the soul, to study them constantly, and to try to bring them into balance in health as well as in disease … It is the first principle in the treatment of every patient, and especially in psychic diseases …”

            His advice to the surgeons was also very sound: “When you think of cutting out something of the body, keep in mind three intentions. The first, that your work shall be finished in the shortest time possible; the second, that no pain at all shall be caused; the third, that you be sure of the result.

            “However, the result will require three intentions. First, be clearly aware that your intentions will be attained with certainty; second, if this cannot be achieved, at least no damage shall ensue from side effects; third, be sure that the disease shall not relapse. Then when you consider these intentions it will be evident to you that at times surgical and at times medicinal treatment will be more praiseworthy.”

    • Daisy
      Daisy says:

      JR, you are a fanatic, unwilling to look at facts. Are you a doctor BTW? Do you have any idea what is going on inside? I do. And despite it all, I appreciate natural medicine much more, because I do know the side-effects of medications, and how meds end up piling up one after the other because of their side-effects, hurting people a lot more than helping them in a natural way. Of course some times it is unavoidable; but a lot of the medications are administered because doctors NEVER learned about natural alternatives, are basically ignorant. Did you know that new research does not trickle into mainstream medicine for about 10 years!

      And yes, John Rockefeller, the millionaire oil man, is the one who started modern Western medicine, so most medications would be derived from his petroleum. And of course he financed the medical schools. Convenient, isn’t it? Pretty good business wouldn’t you say? And BTW Western modern medicine is one of the most lucrative investments nowadays. You don’t believe me? Ask Dr. David Eifrig, who is using his medical training to make the most money possible, and is teaching that in his investment newsletter. Nothing like medicine to make money, right? Who would want to push natural treatments such as dietary changes when so much money can be made by plugging into the system; who would be so stupid, really???…..

  4. Alizah Teitelbaum
    Alizah Teitelbaum says:

    bs”d Rivka has opened this space for testing truth. Every voice is allowed. One side applies logic, but logic isn’t everything. Every novelist knows you can test the truth also with emotions and intuition. They may be wrong according to the rules of logic but still ring true. Kind of like a tuning fork.

  5. Becky
    Becky says:

    It would be interesting to also dive into the history of vitamins.
    Our ancestors seemed to have been fine without them. (Though our food nowadays is nutrient-deprived to say the least.)
    It appears that vitamins were discovered in the early 1900s just about the same time that the medicine was being turned into an industry.
    Is there a connection between the two?
    See this: https://rambam-medicine.org.il/curcumin-biggest-fraud/
    I don’t imply that all vitamins are bad. I just mean to imply that vitamins aren’t all created equal and I feel that it takes us one step away from the natural source.

    I’m curious to hear what others have to say on the topic.

    • JR
      JR says:

      “It appears that vitamins were discovered in the early 1900s”

      Sort of. There are precursors. Hence the use of limes on ships to prevent scurvy. They knew it worked, but didn’t isolate the compound responsbile. Another example: it was recognized for sometime that beri beri was caused by some dietary insufficiency, but it wasn’t decades later that Thiamine was uncovered as the missing nutrient. Each vitamin has its own history with contributors from many distinct scientific fields and it would be a mistake to generalize their discovery as some unified phenemenon.

      “I don’t imply that all vitamins are bad.”
      Vitamins are vital.

      “I feel that it takes us one step away from the natural source”
      It doesn’t matter. A vitamin is just a molecule. There’s nothing magical about it, and your body only “knows” the molecule and not where it came from.
      That being the case, most people who eat a normal diet will get all the vitamins they need. Eating an orange will give the C you need, plus it contains much more healthy stuff, and unlike a pill is filling and will push off those cravings for junk food. Vitamin D deficiency is fairly common especially in higher lattitudes with less sunlight. Vegans may also find it challenging to meet their dietary requirements. For everbody else, stop worrying and eat normal food!
      The supplement industry (which straddles the worlds of conventional and alternative medicine) is worth billions and there’s a lot of fakery and nonsense there.
      The turmeric fad is an example. It’s been rare, but people have gotten very sick from taking too much. Put a spoonfull into your curry (a yummy way to get vegetables, and it doesn’t have to be too spicy) and you’re all set.

  6. Adelle
    Adelle says:

    back in 2017-2018 when I delved into childhood vaxx research and actually looked at the ingredients – monkey cells, bovine cells, aborted fetal tissues a thought of “eye of newt” with an image of pointy hatted witches standing over a cauldron appeared in my mind. I wondered how these formulations were any different from witches potions? short answer: it’s not. when I finally watched the dr. plotkin deposition so called “grandfather of quacksines” where he describes the development process, aborting normally developing fetus encul that was it for me. total hatred for Hashem and his creations. can anyone watch that and seriously believe these “doctors” are working for the health and betterment of children? what fantasy are people living in to believe someone can callously destroy life for the sake of saving lives? the mind boggles.

    our own healing models have the cohen as healer, afterall, he’s the only one who can diagnose the metaphysical condition of tzara’at. naturally all medical paradigms are integrative, including spiritual protocols (prayers, amulets etc.) along with prescriptions for diet, herbs and lifestyle changes. of course, the big question is to which spiritual forces is the modality and the practitioner connecting? demons are spiritual too. there’s a reason why all the hospitals were associated with churches and named after patron saints. and then suddenly western medicine is free of all spirituality? as rabbi chananya weissman is writing now in his series on amalek, the greatest trick amalek did is convincing the world they no longer exist. I would argue this trick extends to western medicine convincing the world of total secularism, devoid of any relationship with G-d.

    it’s no secret that the players responsible for standardizing medical school curricula and text books were raging eugenicists. once one grasps this fact so much of what’s going on today makes much more sense. at a bris last week in jerusalem a couple women were discussing their personal experiences, interventions recommended by their “frum” drs. – overzealous genetic testing, encouraging termination of pregnancy based on the dubious results… all of whom birthed healthy, typically developing, thriving children.

    thank you for following the thread and exposing the true pagan roots of this so called medical system. it’s time for the truth to spread.

    • Rivka Levy
      Rivka Levy says:

      Long past time… thanks for this, Adelle.

      The genetic testing / eugenics the ‘frum’ community has been indulging in has been a massive chillul Hashem – at best! – for a very long time.

      There are links between these ‘frum’ genetics companies and many of the evil people we’ve come to associate with the plandemic.

      That’s another truth that needs to come out… when God is ready.


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